Serial Numbers – Trumpet

Serial Numbers – Trumpet

There are multiple sources for the Vincent Bach trumpet on the internet today. We decided to combine into a single timeline reference to better understand the instrument serial numbers vs. the status of the company.

We’re always looking for more information/corrections to include, so please email us through our contact us link in the header. All information is copyright per the original owner/source.

Serial Number Year   Year Event / News
- 1890 Born Vincent Schrotenbach
in Vienna
- 1916 Vincent Bach designed and handcrafted his first mouthpieces.
- 1916 Vincent Bach 1st published Cornet Solos210 W. 107 St
New York, NY
(map)
- 1918 Vincent Bach began Mouthpiece Mfg.
(Workshop)11 East 14th Street
New York, NY
(map)
(images)
- 1919 1st Factory204 East 85th Street
New York, NY
(map)
(images)
- 1922 Moved to 2nd Factory237 East 41st Street
New York, NY
(map)
(images)
- 1922 Incorporated as
Vincent Bach Corporation, Inc.
New York City
Index #: 7517
August 18, 1922
- 1924 1st Trumpets/Cornets Completed
- 1925 May 1, 1925 – 1st Trumpet Sold
(from USPTO Filing)
- 1925 “Mercury” trademark filed
Filed: August 14, 1925
Registered: May 16, 1926
- 1925 “Stradivarius” trademark filed
Filed: August 14, 1925
Registered: May 16, 1926
14 1925 - 1st Mfg. card @ Bach
500 1926 -
600 1927 -
657 1926 -
- 1927 “Mercedes” trademark filed
Filed: March 21, 1927
Registered: May 31, 1927
- 1927 1st models with Nickel casings
- 1928 1st Mercury model trumpets using German Valve blocks.
- Oct.
1928
Moved to 3rd factory621 East 216th Street
Bronx, NY
(map)
(images)
900 1928 -
0639 1928 - 1928 Bach Apollo Model
8600-8700 1928 - 1928 Bach Apollo Models
1249 1929
1450 1930 -
2250 1935 -
2344 1934 -
2568 1935 -
2752 1935 -
10000 1933 - 1933 Bach Mercury Models
4117 1937 -
4611 1939 -
10241 1939 - Bach Mercury Cornet (Dec. 1939)
4650 1940 -
4863 1941 -
5500 1941 -
5763 1941 -
5791 1942 -
5792 1942 -
5793 1942 -
6500 1945 -
9100 1950 -
12000 1953 -
12002 1953 -
12478 1953 -
12576 1953 - Latest known
NY serial number. (Mercury)
12615 1953 - Earliest known
Mt. Vernon serial number.
12836 1953 -
- 1953 Moved to
Mt. Vernon, NY50 South MacQuesten Parkway
Mt. Vernon, NY
(map)
(images)
30123 1954 - 10/5/54 Bach Mercury Cornet
30000-33000 1955 - 1955 Bach Mercury Models
13600 1955 -
14892 1956 -
2506 1958 1958 Bach Minerva Model
2722 1958 - 1958 Bach Minerva Model
19500 1960 -
20503 1960 - 8/17/60 Bach Mercury Trumpet
2811 1961 - 1961 Bach Minerva Model
- 1961 Vincent Bach Corp.
purchased by H & A Selmer, Inc.
(September 25 1961)
21000 1961 -
21950 1962 -
“Vincent Bach” trademark filed
Filed: May 2, 1962
Registered: Feb. 19, 1963
“Bach shield” trademark filed
Filed: May 2, 1962
Registered: July 30, 1963
- Feb 7, 1963 Closed Mt. Vernon, NY
Factory
24000 1964 -
30017 1964 - Last Mt. Vernon serial number?
30080 1964 - Last Mt. Vernon serial number?
- 1965 Production started in
Elkhart, IN
600 Industrial Parkway
Elkhart, IN
(map)
(images)
30000 1965 -
50000 1970 -
100000 1974 -
112000 1975 -
- 1976 Vincent Bach Dies
1217XX 1977 -
142796 1978 -
164914 1979 -
175000 1980 -
200000 1981 -
230000 1983 -
250000 1985 -
336000 1990 -
420000 1994 -
436000 1995
- 1995 Selmer Industries buys Steinway Musical Properties
452000 1996 -
- 1996 IPO as Steinway Musical Instruments
- 1997 “Bach Circle” trademark filed
Filed: May 1, 1997
Registered: Oct. 13, 1998
468000 1997 -
484000 1998 -
500000 1999 -
2000 -
- 2000 Acquisition of United Musical Instruments
2001 -
525000 2002 -
- 2002 John Stoner named CEO;
Conn Selmer
2003 -
- 2003 Merger of UMI and Selmer into Conn-Selmer
“Vincent Bach” trademark
Renewed: March 5, 2003
2004 -
615995 2004 -
- 2004 Closed Original Selmer Plant
North Main Street,
Elkhart, IN
- 2004 John Ratzenberger’s
“Made in America”
Filmed
- 2004 “Bach shield” trademark
Renewed: Feb. 13, 2004
2005 -
646013 2007 -
Start of the “True Bach”
Advertising Campaign
177353 2007 - Model 182 (Eastlake, OH)
Note different serial number order
 700000 2012  Mfg. on 5/23/12
Serial Number Year Year Event / News

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  1. Bob Ferguson
    #1 Bob Ferguson 7 September, 2013, 11:53

    Been playing Bach’s for over 50 years , own many b flat trumpets, the oldest being a model 67 serial 9104, model 43/43 serial 48971, 72* 209675 they are solid performers that stand the test of time. Primarily used for Latin Jazz lead and solo Jazz performance.

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  2. Antonio
    #2 Antonio 21 September, 2013, 00:18

    My Bach mercury trumpet’s serial is 5415. It is one of the first hand full of Mercury trumpets that came out of the factory in April of 1941 using bachs own material . All the ones before used those Import valve bodies. Thank you

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  3. Michael Floyd
    #3 Michael Floyd 1 November, 2013, 08:50

    I have serial number 11 would like some more info if possible and share the info i have.

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  4. Gordon T. Ramsden
    #4 Gordon T. Ramsden 22 November, 2013, 15:34

    It appears that my Mt. Vernon Bach Stradivarious Model # 18530 was built “somewhere” around 1957 (based on your Serial # Data). I plan on selling the Trumpet in the near future, so I am attempting to gather “whatever” information I can find, in an effort to “determine” the Trumpet’s value on today’s market. I have never sold a musical instrument before, so pricing and determining who to trust with my horn, is a real challenge. Any “suggestions” that you might offer, will be greatly appreciated. Gordon T. Ramsden

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  5. Frank Gerace
    #5 Frank Gerace 12 December, 2013, 22:02

    I just bought a used 239 CML Strad C trumpet–judging by the serial number (80118), it was apparently manufactured between 1970 and 1974, making it roughly the same age as my Bach B-flat..Am I correct in this?? My C trumpet has a “Corporation” bell and no third valve slide stop, which I believe may be a feature of this particular model….

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  6. Paul Barringer
    #6 Paul Barringer 10 January, 2014, 14:51

    I own a B flat mode 37 that as I recall my dad bought for me in the fall of 1964. the serial # is 32339. The bell is stamped Elkhart Indiana Could it possibly have been built in Mt Vernon??? Production supposedly did not start in Elkhart until 1965??? I also have C model 239L serial number 67749 purchased used in the late 1960’s. Can you tell me when it was manufactured? It’s bell is also stamped Elkhart. Neither of serial number seem to line up with the timeline on this web sit. Thanks, Paul

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    • Bach Loyalist
      Bach Loyalist Author 9 February, 2014, 17:58

      That was during the transition period during Mt. Vernon, and Elkhart production. Mt. Vernon serial numbers appear to end around 30,000.

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    • Tom D'Antoni
      Tom D'Antoni 17 October, 2014, 07:23

      Paul, your 37 was manufacturer’s after 1965. I own a new old stock Bach 37 cornet, absolute pristine. The serial number of my cornet is 30836. The factory shop card indicated that it’s production date is April 15, 1965. My tax day horn!

      My guess is that yours was produced late ’65 or sometime ’66, but not 1964. Were some parts from Mt. Vernon? Maybe but your bell most likely was made in Elkhart Indiana.

      For what it’s worth, Bach expert/historian Roy Hempley told me that there was much pride in Elkhart and it is thought by many that these very early Elkhart horns were the equal to and perhaps even somewhat better that the Mt. Vernon’s on average. Pride to show the high level craftsmanship that they had knowing how Mt. Vernon horns were revered were motivating factors of the workers. Considering your horns serial number being within a couple of thousand within the 1965 and 30,000 start of production, I’d say that you are the owner of a horn that was made with an extraordinary level of pride or care.

      Congratulations. In time, many very knowledgeable Bachophiles will covet these VERY early Elkhart horns as much or MORE than the Mt. Vernon horns provided that the condition of the instrument warrants consideration.

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  7. Stew
    #7 Stew 17 June, 2014, 08:23

    I have serial # 477, it is in rough shape, but was wondering if it should be restored. Anyone on here have any tips or info to share?

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    • Bach Loyalist
      Bach Loyalist Author 17 June, 2014, 09:57

      It really depends highly on condition. send me an email to admin (at) bachloyalist.com and let me see how “rough” it is in. I can put you in outch with some great repair shops that might be able to get it back to life…

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  8. Pete Feeney
    #8 Pete Feeney 19 June, 2014, 12:49

    I just purchased a New York Bach with Serial # 6181. From what I can tell it was made in either late 1943 or early 1944. Do you have any ideas on production totals for each year so I can narrow it down?

    Also, I know the Mt Vernon models are highly sought after. Does this also apply to the other New York Models from the Bronx since Vincent was the primary during that time?

    Thanks for any insight you may be able to provide……

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    • Bach Loyalist
      Bach Loyalist Author 19 June, 2014, 14:21

      Any of the Bach New York era (NY or Mt. Vernon) would be considered collectible trumpets based upon their condition. This would be a WWII era trumpet, where I’ve seen some examples during this used different combinations of materials on the various braces, caps, trim.

      Would suggest you contact Conn Selmer customer service in Elkhart and politely ask for a copy of the shop card – that should narrow down the mfg. date for you.

      Hope this helps!

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  9. Alexander Fischer
    #9 Alexander Fischer 17 August, 2014, 04:56

    Habe eine Bach Stradivarius 37 ML mit der Seriennummer 20096. Kann ich davon ausgehen, dass die Trompete zwischen 1960-1961 gebaut wurde? Trompete hat einen super klang und noch keinerlei Zinkfraß.

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    • Bach Loyalist
      Bach Loyalist Author 18 August, 2014, 07:58

      (I have a Bach Stradivarius 37 ML with the serial number 20096. Can I assume that the trumpet was built between 1960 to 1961? Trumpet has a great sound and still no corrosion.)

      Yes, your trumpet was most likely mfg. in the 1960-1961 time frame.

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  10. Fran Honeycutt
    #10 Fran Honeycutt 1 September, 2014, 11:27

    I purchased a Bach trumpet. Only info I can find on it is TR 300. And G24970. I cannot find ANY info on the internet about it. Is there ANYwhere I can get info on it??

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    • Bach Loyalist
      Bach Loyalist Author 2 September, 2014, 09:07

      This is a student level BACH instrument. Search for BACH TR300 on eBay and you should find many examples (100+)…

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  11. Shawn
    #11 Shawn 9 September, 2014, 12:35

    I have a Bach Stradivarius trumpet model #37. Serial # ml 212846 haven’t played it in over 20 years. Just got busy with life and such. What year was it made and what’s the value? Any ideas? It was very expensive when I purchased it 30 years ago. And I know it was second hand then… Please and thanks…. Shawn b

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    • Bach Loyalist
      Bach Loyalist Author 30 September, 2014, 16:07

      Most likely was mfg. around 1982… For a recent value, check eBay, Adv. Search, completed auctions… The value will highly dependent on the condition.

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      • Alan
        Alan 13 October, 2014, 11:09

        I have a Vincent Bach Mercedes II trumpet Serial No. 632535 ML, bought in Edinburgh around the late 1970s.
        I have not played for many years now and as it is in brand new condition am about to pass this instrument on to my Grandson who is just learning at school. I found this site whilst looking for info about the instrument but I am confused by the Serial No. It does not seem to exist on the lists above.
        the instrument appears to have a one piece bell as the only seam visible runs around the diameter about 2 inches below the bell-end and the whole of the bell tube (from 1st valve to bell-end) appears to be of the darker “gold brass.” Any info regarding this instrument would be greatly appreciated

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  12. Jeremy
    #12 Jeremy 12 December, 2014, 02:59

    Hello, I have a Bach Strad with serial number 24XXX with Mt. Vernon stamped on the valve block. The bell is stamped with the elkhart indiana bach stamp, and was clearly not originally built with the horn because of soldering marks. I was wondering where the trumpet was actually produced during the transitional period in 1964? Thanks.

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    • Bach Loyalist
      Bach Loyalist Author 11 January, 2015, 18:27

      More than likely it was produced during the transition from Mt. Vernon and Elkhart. You could contact Conn Selmer customer service in Elkhart for a copy of the shop card. That may provided additional insights…

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  13. Bach Loyalist
    #13 Bach Loyalist Author 1 June, 2014, 08:05

    This serial number is from a special edition model of a Bach Stradivarius. (194, 195, 197, 198, NY 7, …) What other markings are on the trumpet?

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