Steinway Announces Agreement in Principle to Sell Band Division
For Immediate Release:
WALTHAM, MA – January 20, 2012 – Steinway Musical Instruments, Inc. (NYSE:LVB), one of the world’s leading manufacturers of musical instruments, announced today that it has reached an agreement in principle to sell its band division to an investor group led by two current directors of the Company: Dana Messina, former CEO, and John Stoner, Conn-Selmer President. Samick Musical Instruments Co. Ltd, the owner of 33% of the Company’s common stock, will provide a portion of the financing and acquire a significant equity interest in the buyer.
The parties expect to execute a definitive Purchase and Sale Agreement, subject to committed financing, in the next 30 to 60 days. The definitive agreement will include a “go-shop” provision under which the Special Committee of the Board of Directors will be permitted to solicit, receive, evaluate and enter into negotiations with respect to alternative proposals for a 60-day period. The Special Committee, with the assistance of its advisors, will actively solicit alternative proposals during this period. There can be no assurance that this process will result in a superior offer and there can be no assurance that the Company will enter into a definitive agreement for any transaction or that any transaction will be completed.
About Steinway Musical Instruments
Steinway Musical Instruments, Inc., through its Steinway and Conn-Selmer divisions, is a global leader in the design, manufacture, marketing and distribution of high quality musical instruments. These products include Bach Stradivarius trumpets, Selmer Paris saxophones, C.G. Conn French horns, Leblanc clarinets, King trombones, Ludwig snare drums and Steinway & Sons pianos. Through its online music retailer, ArkivMusic, the Company also produces and distributes classical music recordings. For more information about Steinway Musical Instruments, Inc. please visit the Company’s website at www.steinwaymusical.com.
“Safe Harbor” Statement Under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995
This release contains “forward-looking statements” which represent the Company’s present expectations or beliefs concerning future events. The Company cautions that such statements are necessarily based on certain assumptions which are subject to risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated in this release. Further information on these risk factors is included in the Company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Contact: Telephone: Email:
Julie A. Theriault 781-894-9770 ir@steinwaymusical.com
Bach Trombones – Model 8ii
This is an unusual example of an early Bach model 8 trombone, with the variation of model 8ii stamped on the bell. It is suggested that the model 8ii, later became just the model 8. Note the bell brass gauige amrking of 51 (vs. the standard 45 commonly used)
Also, looking for anyone that can explain the marking of “33″ on the main support.
source: Barry Goldberg
Bach Trombones – Model (Year Introduction)
We are always looking for more information on this list. Please contact us through the header contact us to provide any additional information.
| Model | Year (Introduction – Discontinued) |
| Model 4 | 1935-65 |
| Model 5 | 1938-41 |
| Model 6 | 1932- |
| Model 8 | 1934- |
| Model 12 | have seen one from late 1930´s |
| Model 16 | 1932- |
| Model 34 | 1948-1967 |
| Model 36 | 1932- |
| Model 40 | 1931-1941..? |
| Model 42 | 1952- |
| Model 45 | 1935-1969 |
| Model 50 | 1938- |
Source: TromboneForum
Bach Mouthpieces – Holton examples
Chicago Examples (<1918)
Frank Holton & Company moved to Elkhorn, WI in the Spring of 1918. These examples would have been very early examples of a Vincent Bach mouthpiece.
Elkhorn, WI Examples (>1918)
Frank Holton & Company moved to Elkhorn, WI in the Spring of 1918. These examples would have been a later example of a Vincent Bach mouthpiece.
Source: Magne Remmen (Chicago example), Holton Loyalist
Bach Trombone Build Sheet
Dated: 9/6/1954
| Model | Slide Bore | Mouthpipe | Slide Crook | Bell | Lrg. Tuning Slide Tube | Tuning Slide Bow | Sml. Tuning Slide Tube | Gooseneck |
| 6i | 0.485″ | #412 | 0.522″ | #401 | 0.721″ | #411 | 0.582″ | #411 |
| 6ii | 0.485″ | #412 | 0.522″ | #425 | 0.721″ | #411 | 0.562″ | #411 |
| 6iii | 0.485″ | #412 | 0.522″ | #425 | 0.670″ | #416 | 0.528″ | #416 |
| 6iv | 0.485″ | #412 | 0.522″ | #431 | 0.721″ | #416 | 0.562″ | #411 |
| 6v | 0.485″ | #412 | 0.522″ | #431 | 0.670″ | #416 | 0.528″ | #416 |
| 6vi | 0.485″ | #412 | 0.522″ | #436 | 0.721″ | #431 | 0.562″ | #411 |
| 6vii | 0.485″ | #412 | 0.522″ | #440 | 0.721″ | #431 | 0.562″ | #411 |
Some notes to add-
1. Models iii and v have the smallest bell thoats and smallest larger slide tubes, therefor making them the least desirable.
2. All bells listed on this sheet are from 1957 after Bach went to all 7 1/2 inch bells as standard sizes. Earlier M.V. and N.Y. bells could have 7 inch bells, but that would be the only variable from these numbers.
Source: Dr. Jason Oliver, D.M.A., Southeastern Oklahoma State University
Bach Mouthpiece Cases
A good mouthpiece is of such immense value to a brass instrumentalist that he should take every precaution to protect it against loss or damage. It is highly inadvisable to leave the mouthpiece in the instrument or case. The player should have his mouthpiece with him at all times, but if carried loose in the pocket, it is very liable to be scratched, bent, or chocked up. A mouthpiece case is an absolute necessity and you cannot find a better one that that illustrated above.
Source: page 16, Vincent Bach Corporation catalog (1925)
Vincent Bach – Shop Cards (Trombone)
Click here for Shop Card (Trumpet)
Bach used simple note cards for his shop card records of each horn. in about 1926 Bach started to standardize on the information includes. During the years, the same basic information was recorded, however the format slightly changed through the years. Shop cards are generally available through the 30,XXX serial number range.
If you contact Conn-Selmer customer service in Elkhart, IN and politely request a copy of the shop card they are most often willing to fax, email to you. (Kudos for Conn-Selmer to continue to information on the heritage of these Vincent Bach Corporation brass instruments)
Bach Trombone – Shop Card fields
| Field (earliest example on shopcard) |
Description |
| Serial Number | The serial number of the instrument. |
| Bell Diameter | |
| Bell Mandrel No. | |
| Tuning Slide Bow | |
| Goose Neck | |
| Slide Bore | |
| Slide Width | |
| Mouthpipe No | |
| Customer |
Bach Trombone – Shop Card examples
| Serial # | Sold Date | Shop Card Image |
| Serial #0006 | Sept. (1930?) April 1931 August 1935 |
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| Serial# 0013 | Aug. (1930?) Oct (1930?) Nov. (1930?) April 1931 Oct. (1931?) |
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| Serial # 5758 | Feb. 1960 | ![]() |
Source: TromboneForum.org
from our collection of various bell markings. These were first introduced in 1992 -1993 era. Note the difference on these two Elkhart Model 37 sterling silver bells.
if anyone has any additional details, please contact us through the header of this page.
Sterling Silver
(older serial number, stamped)
The first prototype sterling silver bell Bach’s were made of sheets of sterling silver. Other sterling bells have been reported to be around 92-93% silver content.
Sterling Silver
Plus
(recent serial number, engraved)
Current Sterling SIlver bells today are manufactured using an electroforming process. Silver content is closer to 99%
Source: Luc Decock
A great example of early New York Mouthpiece mouthpiece packaging used when shipping to customers.
Postmaster
Vincent Bach Corp.
Brass Boulevard and East 218th Street
New York City, U.S.A
Very similar packaging to the Mt. Vernon example found here.
A good example of the various accessories sold by Vincent Bach early in the history of Vincent Bach Corporation. Always looking for actual images, please contact us through the header if you have one of these.
Bach Valve Protector
for Trumpet and Cornet
patented.
(as a side note Hans J. Bach was issued a patent for the same device on Jan. 29, 1924)
Prevents perspiration from corroding the metal.
Protects the hand from brass stain.
Preserves gold or silver plating.
Keeps valves from freezing in winter.
Lessens the strain of holding the instrument.
Gives an unfailing grip.
No. 1 – Price. Genuine leather. velvet lines, plain ………….$1.00: postpaid. $1.10
No. 2 – Price. Genuine leather, with third valve extension, $1.25: postpaid. $1.35
From the 1925 Vincent Bach Corporation catalog.
Source: 1925 Vincent Bach Corporation Catalog
Vincent Bach Trombone Models
Through the years there have been just a few primary models manufactured by Vincent Bach and related companies. This list of both primary and special edition trombones are the best list we’ve been able to compile
If you identify a missing model, please contact us through the “contact us” menu in the header.
Trombone Models – Stradivarius (Alto)
| Model | Description | |
| Model 1 |
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Exteremely limited production model. Produced in Mt. Vernon era. (6 produced) |
| Model 2 |
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Produced in New York era. |
| Model 3 |
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Was a custom model. |
| Model 39 |
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Key Eb Bore .468″ medium bore Bell 6.5″ one-piece yellow brass bell Slide standard chrome-plated nickel silver seamless inner slide, brass outer slide, nickel silver handgrip.The Model 39 Professional Alto Trombone |
Trombone Models – Stradivarius (Tenor)
| Model | Description | |
| Model 4 | Medium-Small Bore slide (0.468″) with a medium-small bore bell. An excellent instrument for small orchestras where only two brasses, trumpet, trombone are in the ensemble. This trombone has a most perfect intonation and responds beautifully to muting. The tone is compact, brilliant and free from thinness, commonly termed “nasal twang.” The Model 4 has been especially designed for players with a delicate embouchure to enable them to play the entire register, particularly the high notes, with the utmost ease.For engagements in hotels, restaurants, small bedrooms and other places where the requirements are usually for subdued music, this instrument will be found thoroughly desirable and suitable.Also a reference to a Stradivarius 4 .468/.485 7.5 Dual bore. | |
| Model 5 |
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| Model 6 | Medium Bore slide (0.485″) with a medium bore bell. There were actually 7 variations on the model 6. These variants were different combinations of tuning slide, tuning slide tubes, and the bell size. These were labeled as follows on the bell:6 6II 6III 6IV – More Common 6IV/V 6VI 6VII – More Common |
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| Model LT6 | 0.485″/ 7.000″ | MODEL LT6 BACH STRADIVARIUS TENOR TROMBONE Key of Bb, .485″ small bore, 7″ one-piece yellow brass bell, chrome-plated nickel silver seamless inner slide, lightweight nickel silver outer slide, nickel silver handgrip, tubular nickel silver body braces, removable gold-plated balance weight, genuine Vincent Bach mouthpiece, deluxe wood shell case. |
| Model 8 | Medium Bore slide (0.490″), a fraction larger than the model “6″ with a medium bore bell slightly larger than the model “6″ bell.Of similar construction to the previous model, with a fuller and more mellow tone. For theatre and concert orchestras and full sized dance bands. | |
| Model 8ii | More than likely the 8ii was later simplified to the model 8 | |
| Model LT8 | 0.490″ / 7.000″ | Key of Bb, .490″ small bore, 7-1/2″ one-piece yellow brass bell, chrome-plated nickel silver seamless inner slide, lightweight nickel silver outer slide, nickel silver handgrip, tubular nickel silver body braces, removable gold-plated balance weight, genuine Vincent Bach mouthpiece, deluxe wood shell case. |
| Model 12 | 0.500″ / 7.500″ | Key of Bb, .500″ medium bore, 7-1/2″ one-piece yellow brass bell, chrome-plated nickel silver seamless inner slide, brass outer slide, nickel silver handgrip, tubular nickel silver body braces, removable gold-plated balance weight, genuine Vincent Bach mouthpiece, deluxe wood shell case. |
| Model 16 | Medium Large Duo Bore (0.490/0.510″) with a medium large bore bell.Full, mellow tone of great volume and a free response and chief features of this trombone. Suitable for larger theatre orchestras and for symphony performances. | |
| Model LT16 | Key of Bb, .509″ medium bore, 7-1/2″ one-piece yellow brass bell, open gooseneck, chrome-plated nickel silver seamless inner slide, lightweight nickel silver outer slide, nickel silver handgrip, tubular nickel silver body braces, genuine Vincent Bach mouthpiece, deluxe wood shell case. | |
| Model V16 | 0.485″ / 7.500″ | Valve trombone |
| Model 17T | 0.500″/0.514″ / 7.000″ | Serial number 6. Never mfg. as a std. model. |
| Molde 32 | Made for the US Army Band in the 1950′s | |
| Model 34 | 0.522″ / 8.000″ | Also known as the Palmer Traulsen model.They were only made at the MtVernon factory, not the prior New York or later Elkhart factory? |
| Model 36 | Large bore slide (0.525″) with large bore bell.For the first trombone work in large symphony or concert orchestras. Remarkable high register so essential for modern symphony work. Beautiful, broad and sonorous tone, full of life. Abundant tone-volume and carrying power. No risk of over blowing this instrument as there is no player with sufficient power to reach the limit of its fortissimo. | |
| Model 36B | 0.525″ / 8.000″ | Model 36 with F valve.For 1st and 2nd trombone work in large symphony, opera, or concert orchestras or band. Identical bore (0.525″) and construction as the previous model, but with a rotary valve. By using the “F” valve, the entire chromatic scale down to the pedal notes can be played. “F” valve valve slide can be pulled out to “E”. (See illustration of the Medel 50B trombone) |
| Stradivarius 36 .525 8 Stradivarius 36B .525 8 F Stradivarius 36BO .525 8 F Stradivarius 36K .525 8 F Balanced valve design. Stradivarius 36C .525 8 F Removable F section. Stradivarius 36CO .525 8 F |
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| Model 40 |
0.525″/547″ Dual Bore / 9.000″
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Produced during the New York era. |
| Model 42 | All 42 series Bach Stradivarius tenor trombones feature .547″ large bore, 8-1/2″ one-piece yellow brass bell, chrome-plated nickel silver seamless inner slide, brass outer slide, nickel silver handgrip, tubular nickel silver body braces, genuine Vincent Bach mouthpiece, deluxe wood shell case. | |
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Trombone Models – Stradivarius (Bass)
| Model | Description | |
| 45B | 0.547″ / 9.000″ | Stradivarius 45B |
| 46 | 0.562″ | It was the model 45, but with a .562 bore slide instead of the standard .547/.562 slide the 45 usually came with. Although it was sold as a 46, the bells were still stamped as 45. |
| 50A | 0.562″ /9.500″ | All Bach Stradivarius bass trombones feature .562″ large bore, one-piece yellow brass bell, chrome-plated nickel silver seamless inner slide, brass outer slide, nickel silver handgrip, tubular nickel silver body braces, genuine Vincent Bach mouthpiece, deluxe wood shell case.MODEL 50A – 9-1/2″ one-piece yellow brass bell, Hagmann Valve rotor mechanism, open wrap |
| Model 50B | 9″ bass trombone with F valve.For the 3rd trombonist (bass trombonist) in large symphony, opera, or concert orchestras or bands. Similar in construction to the previous tenor trombone with F valve (F Valve slide can pulled out to E), but has a large sized bell and a large slide bore (0.562). It retains its great, majestic tone to the lowest pedal notes. Indispensable in symphony organizations, this instrument is also recommended for first class concert bands, for its adds sonority and “body” to the brass section.MODEL 50B (Today) – 9-1/2″ one-piece yellow brass bell, traditional rotor mechanism, traditional wrap | |
| Model 50K | 0.562″ / 9.500″ | All Bach Stradivarius bass trombones feature .562″ large bore, one-piece yellow brass bell, chrome-plated nickel silver seamless inner slide, brass outer slide, nickel silver handgrip, tubular nickel silver body braces, genuine Vincent Bach mouthpiece, deluxe wood shell case.MODEL 50K – 9-1/2″ one-piece yellow brass bell, Balanced Valve® rotor mechanism, open wrap |
| Model 50T | All Bach Stradivarius bass trombones feature .562″ large bore, one-piece yellow brass bell, chrome-plated nickel silver seamless inner slide, brass outer slide, nickel silver handgrip, tubular nickel silver body braces, genuine Vincent Bach mouthpiece, deluxe wood shell case.MODEL 50T – 9-1/2″ one-piece yellow brass bell, Thayer ™ Valve rotor mechanism, open wrap | |
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Trombone Models – Student Line
| Model | Description | |
| Mercedes 894 | 0.510″ / 7.500″ | Also as Bundy 894B = F Attachment |
| Mercedes 836 | 0.525″ / 8.000″ | Also as Bundy 836B = F Attachment |
| Mercedes 843 | Also as Bundy | |
| Mercedes 883 | 0.515″ / | Marching trombone |
| Model TB200 | Key of Bb/F, .525″ medium-large bore, 8″ two-piece yellow brass bell with engraving, F rotor mechanism, ball bearing rotor linkage, traditional wrap, chrome-plated nickel silver seamless inner slide, brass outer slide, chrome-plated handgrip, tubular brass body braces, genuine Vincent Bach mouthpiece, wood shell case. | |
| Model TB300 | Key of Bb, .500″ medium bore, 8″ two-piece yellow brass bell, chrome-plated nickel silver seamless inner slide, brass outer slide, chrome-plated handgrip, tubular nickel silver body braces, removable nickel-plated balance weight, genuine Vincent Bach mouthpiece, double-wall case. | |
| Model TB600 | “Aristocrat” – .509″ bore, 8″ bell, clear lacquer, Bach 350-12C mouthpiece, 50882 case. | |
Source: Dr. Jason Oliver, D.M.A., Southeastern Oklahoma State University, various Vincent Bach catalogs
Vincent Bach Trombone Bells
Additional information on the model 6 variations can be found here.
| Model | Bell Types Known |
| Model 6i | #401 |
| Model 6ii | #425 |
| Model 6iii | #425 |
| Model 6iv | #431 |
| Model 6v | #431 |
| Model 6vi | #436 |
| Model 6vii | #440 |
| Model 8 | #415 |
| Model 16 | #415 |
Source: Multiple Sources
Vincent Bach Trumpet Models
Through the years there have been just a few primary models manufactured by Vincent Bach and related companies. This list of both primary and special edition trumpets are the best list we’ve been able to compile
If you identify a missing model, please contact us through the “contact us” menu in the header.
Bb Trumpet Models – Stradivarius (Standard Models)
Bb Trumpet Models – Stradivarius (Limited Edition Models)
C Trumpet Models – Stradivarius
Various Key Trumpet Models – Stradivarius
Piccolo Trumpet Models – Stradivarius
Bb Cornet Models – Stradivarius
Bb Flugelhorn Models
Bb Trumpet Models – Intermediate
Bb Cornet Models – Intermediate
Source:
Vincent Bach – Trumpet Bell Variations
Bell Construction – Bending
Selmer around 1973 changed the filler material in the bell crook to a frozen soap type filler from the previously used, confidential alloy of pitch type materials that had been developed through the 1950-1960′s.
Bell Construction – Blank
Instead of the traditional funnel shape or fan pattern after 1965 the Selmer Corp. used a newly developed flower “blank” shape that simplified the forming process and required a completely different approach to shaping the bell flair. Photos of the manufacturing process can be found here.
Bell Construction – Bracing
Early Bach trumpets used cast braces to attach the bell to the lead pipe, valve block. Today forged S braces are used instead.
Bell Construction – Logo
Similar to the valve serial number engraving, bells today are etched, where earlier Bach trumpets were roll stamped to get the logo applied. This was switched over around 2000/2002 to a computerized laser based system.
| Serial Number | Logo Method |
| 400757 | Rolled Stamp |
Bell Construction – Logo registered Trademark
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Bell:37 |
Bell:37 |
After some helpful comments from fellow Bach loyalists (David, Tim), wanted to add some examples in this section. It is unclear when both the registered trademark, and the Corporation was added/removed from the Bach brass related bells. Here is a table which summarizes different examples.
| Serial | Bell | ® | Corporation |
| 33937 | 239(C) | No R | Corporation |
| 37302 | 311(F) | No R | Corporation |
| 42160 | 37 | No R | Corporation |
| 46422 | 37(181) | No R | Corporation |
| 47312 | 37* | No R | Corporation |
| 50782 | 37 | No R | Corporation |
| 51622 | 37 | No R | Corporation |
| 55746 | 37 | No R | Corporation |
| 61081 | 236(D) | No R | Corporation |
| 61824 | 37 | No R | Corporation |
| 61855 | 239 | No R | Corporation |
| 63003 | 37 | No R | Corporation |
| 66953 | 37 | No R | Corporation |
| 67184 | 72* | No R | Corporation |
| 68278 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 68400 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 69168 | 229L | No R | Corporation |
| 70424 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 75094 | 37(LT) | R | No Corporation |
| 75534 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 76005 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 81719 | 72* | No R | Corporation |
| 83544 | 43 | No R | Corporation |
| 854XX | 43* | No R | Corporation |
| 85744 | 304 | No R | Corporation |
| 86766 | 25 | No R | Corporation |
| 87675 | 229 | No R | Corporation |
| 101647 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 108090 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 108735 | 43* | No R | Corporation |
| 114917 | 236(D) | No R | Corporation |
| 115945 | 72 | No R | Corporation |
| 121192 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 123404 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 123887 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 142397 | 229(C) | No R | Corporation |
| 145843 | 229(C) | No R | Corporation |
| 146373 | R | No Corporation | |
| 150018 | 239(C) | No R | Corporation |
| 164284 | 239(C) | No R | Corporation |
| 166706 | 72* | No R | Corporation |
| 171892 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 173912 | 43 | No R | Corporation |
| 176291 | 43 | No R | Corporation |
| 186493 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 197405 | 43 | R | No Corporation |
| 388483 | 43 | R | No Corporation |
| 409696 | 72* | R | No Corporation |
| 426673 | (184) | R | No Corporation |
| 474985 | 65G | R | No Corporation |
| 478532 | 43 | R | No Corporation |
It is important to note the major events during this same time. For example, Vincent Bach Corp. was sold to Selmer in 1961, and was part of the Selmer Musical Instrument company. (That would have been around serial number 21,000.
Another way to look at this is by the bell type. Perhaps the differences were related to the fixturing for stamping the logo on different bell mandrels. Same list as above, but sorted by bell type.
37 Type Bell
| Serial | Bell | ® | Corporation |
| 47312 | 37* | No R | Corporation |
| 55746 | 37 | No R | Corporation |
| 61824 | 37 | No R | Corporation |
| 63003 | 37 | No R | Corporation |
| 66953 | 37 | No R | Corporation |
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| 68278 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 68400 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 70424 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 75094 | 37(LT) | R | No Corporation |
| 75534 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 76005 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 121192 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
| 123404 | 37 | R | No Corporation |
43 Type Bell
| Serial | Bell | ® | Corporation |
| 83544 | 43 | No R | Corporation |
| 854XX | 43* | No R | Corporation |
| 108735 | 43* | No R | Corporation |
| 176291 | 43 | No R | Corporation |
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| 197405 | 43 | R | No Corporation |
| 388483 | 43 | R | No Corporation |
| 478532 | 43 | R | No Corporation |
Bell Construction – Indiana, USA
Similar to the registered trademark/corporation above, there are variations to the State marking from IND. to IN, and also from U.S.A. to USA.
| Serial | State | USA | Other |
| 412786 | IND. | U.S.A. | Vertical Serial Numbers (Bottom Right) Bore Sizes (Bottom Left) |
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| 438218 (37) |
IN | USA | Bell Font Changed Vertical Serial Numbers (Bottom Right) Bore Sizes (Bottom Left) |
Please send us your notes on what serial number this changed also on your Bach brass instrument. Help us narrow down the serial number range.
Bell Construction – Model 182
| Serial | State | USA | Other |
| 17735X | None | U.S.A. |
Handcrafted |
Bell Construction – Rim
The Elkhart bells (>1965) have full round bell wire, versus early Bach trumpets which had a more traditional French half round bead.
Bell Construction – Seam
Early Elkhart, Mt. Vernon bells have the seam running towards the valve section.
Bell Seam Example
Serial Number 48765
There have been different variations through the serial numbers. Some other examples include
(looking into the bell). Thanks to Chris Kase for these additional examples.
| Serial Number | Seam Position |
| 117XX (NY 37ML) | 6 o’clock |
| 188XX (MtV M Bore) | 7 o’clock |
Bell Construction – Thickness
On older Bach trumpets the bell thickness is tapered as the bell flares out. Today, through modern manufacturing techniques, the bell thickness is much more uniform, allowing for similar sound vs. daily manufacturing variations. This is one reason why older Bach trumpets often have a different sound to them.
Vincent Bach – Tuning Slide Variations
Tuning Slide – Wrap
The master tuning slide crook in the early 50′s was made wider on later instruments made in the Mt. Vernon shop after approximately 1955. This difference is about 0.25 inch.
NY Bach – Tuning Slide entry 3rd valve
Serial Number #4117, courtesy of Jeff Dacks
Note how the tuning slide entry into the 3rd valve goes down at an angle. Newer Bach tuning slides go “straight” into the 3rd valve.
Also it is very interesting to see the change in the wrap during time with early Vincent Bach trumpets. Also, note the relative position of the spit valve and drain with respect to the main tuning slide. Here are some great examples:
Other Examples of Bach Wraps on early Bach trumpets.

Bach MtV (#30XXX/1964) vs. Bach MtV (#15XXX/1956)

Bach Mercury (#58XX/) vs. Bach MtV (#15XXX/1956)
If you are looking for the original style concept tuning slide crook, you should look into Dave’s classic tuning slide here.
Tuning Slide – 1st Valve Slide / Saddle
“The first slide was changed to the reversed construction in the mid 1970′s. It was done because the old style had to have an extension arm made to solder on the 1st slide tuning crook. By reversing the slide tubes, the slide action was greatly improved and (2) by eliminating the soldering of the hook to the slide crook, it helped the response of notes associated with that valve.”
from Tedd Waggoner (Vincent Bach Brass Product Manager)
The first valve saddle became standard in the 1970′s. Before that time, this was an option.
Tuning Slide – 3rd Valve Stop Rod
Before 1940, the stop rod bracing was hexagonal in shape. Here are good examples of this style from a pre 1940′s Bach. Mt. Vernon Bach’s had the stop rod guide facing the 3rd valve. Sometime in the mid-late 1960′s (1967 example shows this facing the bell), the stop rod was reversed to face the bell. We are looking for additional examples to narrow down this serial number range.
Source:
Vincent Bach – Lead Pipe – Finger Hook Design
Source:
Lead pipe – Labels/Style
Some recent lead pipes (>1970) have the label applied to the mouthpiece shank, and many early leadpipes were labeled.
Lead pipe – Mouthpiece Receiver
“The mouthpiece receiver was shorted by Vincent Bach himself back in the late 1950′s before he sold his company to the Selmer Company. I don’t know his reason for doing this. We simply kept his designs.”
-Tedd Waggoner
Vincent Bach Brass Product Manager
Source: Tedd Waggoner
Registration Card
| Registration Card example | (1964/1965) Serial #: 25662 |
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| Vincent Bach Warranty Certificate | (1955) | ![]() |
Invoices
Bach invoice for 6 Bach Mercury trumpets from August 1955 to Kitt Music Company.
Kitt Music Company is still in business today, click here
Vincent Bach – Shop Cards (Trumpet)
Click here for Shop Card details for Vincent Bach Trombones
Bach used simple note cards for his shop card records of each horn. in about 1926 Bach started to standardize on the information includes. During the years, the same basic information was recorded, however the format slightly changed through the years. Shop cards are generally available through the 30,XXX serial number range.
If you contact Conn-Selmer customer service in Elkhart, IN and politely request a copy of the shop card they are most often willing to fax, email to you. (Kudos for Conn-Selmer to continue to information on the heritage of these Vincent Bach Corporation brass instruments)
Bach Trumpet – Shop Card fields
| Field (earliest example on shopcard) |
Description |
| Serial Number | The serial number of the instrument. |
| Model | Examples include: Stradivarius, Mercury, Mercury, … trumpet, or cornet |
| Valve Bore | Examples include: 0.468″, 0.462″ (L), 0.459 (ML), 0.453″ (M), 448″, |
| Valve Model | Examples include: B, C, E valve blocks. E valve block is the most common. C valve blocks used on larger bore. B valve block are on very early NY trumpets. |
| Valve Fit | Examples include: Exceptional Tight |
| Plating of Pistons (1950s) | Examples include: (model, chromium?) |
| Mouthpipe | Examples include: the many different options available. Partial list here. |
| Bell Mandrel | Examples include: the many different options available. Partial list here. |
| Bell Brass | Examples include: G 45 (German Brass?, 45 gauge) Amer(ican) Brass Corporation |
| Gauge (1937) | |
| Date Completed | Examples include: The date completed |
| Finish (1935) | Examples include: the various finish options available. Partial list here. |
| Date Sold | Examples include: The date sold. |
| Customer | Examples include: The name of the customer |
Bach Trumpet – Shop Card examples
| Serial # | Sold Date | Shop Card Image |
| Serial # 1314 | May 1929 | ![]() |
| Serial # 2761 | May 1935 | ![]() |
| Serial # 4117 | November 1937 | courtesy of Jeff Dacks |
| Serial # 7614 | October 1947 |
Answer to an inquiry in 1952 of the origin of serial number 7614. courtesy of Bob Lineberger |
| Serial # 15096 | June 1956 | ![]() |
| Serial # 17085 | Feb. 1958 |
courtesy of Andrew Critzer |
| Serial # 30017 | October 1964 | ![]() |
Source: Various Bach loyalists
Vincent Bach – Bracing
Braces
“Early differences are the nickel hex braces, this changed in around 1940 to what we are familiar with today.”
Thanks to Marco Rippert who provided the concept and initial measurements of key bracing locations. Note the potential variation required to get the fullest sound from your Bach trumpet.
| measurement (mm) | ||||||||
| Serial | Year | Model | A | B | C | D | E | F |
| 114688 | 1975 | 180-38 M 25 |
12 | 56 | 137 | 128 | 112 | 192 |
| 250XXX | 1985 | 180LT72 ML 43 |
9 | 80 | 136 | 127 | 114 | 210 |
| 510XXX | 2000 | 180LT72 ML 43 |
12 | 75 | 137 | 125 | 101 | 192 |
Add your measurements by using the contact form at the top of the page.
Vincent Bach – Valve Variations
Valve Casings
It is generally understood that prior to S/N 121,7XX (approx. 1977), valve casings were made from 2 pieces. The top part was made of nickel silver. We’re still trying to narrow down this serial number range, please contact us through the header link.
However, it was recently brought to our attention that prior to S/N 121,XXX some valve casings may have been one piece, and out of the same material.
Serial number #597 actually appears to have both the top and bottom valve casing to be made of nickel silver.
In addition, Johan serial number #3112 (1935) has a one piece valve casing (brass).
(Images courtesy of Johan Åkervall)
Valve Guides
The metal (brass) valve guides were replaced with nylon plastic guides during the 1980′s. This was done for further cost/performance reasons.
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Valve Serial Number – Casing
The serial number of the trumpet were stamped on the 2nd valve barrel, until in the late 49XXX, in which it was replaced by engraving.
| NY | Horizontal Serial Number above Bore Size on Upper Right side of valve casing | |
| Mt Vernon | Elkhart 2XXXXX’s | Bore Size above Horizontal Serial Number on Upper Right Side of valve casing |
| 2XXXXX’s | 3XXXXX’s | Horizontal Serial Number on Upper Right side, Bore Size on Lower Right side of valve casing |
| 4XXXXX’s | 5XXXXX’s | Vertical Serial Number on Lower Left side, Bore Size on Lower Right side of valve casing |
| 6XXXXX’s | Current | Vertical Serial Number above Bore Size on Lower Left side of valve casing |
Valve Serial Number – Actual Valve
Also, the instrument serial numbers were also stamped on each valve as shown in this photograph. Some more insight to when this stopped (1970) was discussed on a recent discussion forum.
If you have updated information on this, please contact us. We’re trying to narrow this down, as there seems to be inconsistencies in this.
| On valve | 49889 |
| On valve | 502XX |
| Not on valve | 50782 |
| On valve (Mt. Vernon Cornet) | 139XX |
Valve Cap Serial Number – Finger Button
In addition the valve caps also had the matching serial numbers applied to the underside. The time period these were applied appears to be different than the matching serial numbers on the valve itself.
| On Cap | 1816X |
| Not on Cap | 198XX |
| Other Variations (can not verify if these were original Bach) | |
| Caps marked I, II, III | 34xxx |
Thanks to users from TrumpetHerald for this narrowed down serial number list on valve caps.
Valve Stamping
Throughout the Mt Vernon period, the second valve was stamped just below the center bell brace as follows as shown in the photograph below.
| V. Bach Mt.Vernon N.Y. USA |
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Valve Plating
In the 1940′s both the following options were available for Bach Trumpets.
In Jan. 1953, all valves were made of Monel.
Sources:
© Conn Selmer, Inc.
© Various Images courtesy of Erik Veldkamp
© Early Bach Images courtesy of Jeff Dacks
© BestBrass.jp
© TrumpetHerald.com; various discussion threads (BobXX)
© various users (Fukushima, Dacks)
© Bracing Measurements provided by Marco Rippert
© various corrections, additional serial number ranges from Chris Kase.
from our collection of various company logos.
| 1925 | ![]() |
| 1925 | ![]() |
| 1929 | ![]() |
| 1935 | ![]() |
| 1958 | ![]() |
| 1959 | ![]() |
| 1950′s | ![]() |
| 1970′s | ![]() |
Source: various Vincent Bach publications, Conn-Selmer
“Problems of Intonation of Brass Instruments”
Vincent Bach
Symphony
September 1950
from the Library of Congress 1969 book trademark renewals. Most of these publications can be found here
Books and Pamphlets
Current and Renewal Registrations
Jan – June 1969
Bach, Vincent
The art of trumpet playing
19 pages
Application Author: Vincent Bach Corp.
11Feb69
A50496
The art of trumpet playing
19 pages
Application Author: Vincent Bach Corp.
11Feb69
A76634
How to choose the best mouthpiece cup
Application Author: Vincent Bach Corp.
11Feb69
A76636
Ideal brass instrument care
Application Author: Vincent Bach Corp.
11Feb69
A76635
Know your brasses
Application Author: Vincent Bach Corp.
11Feb69
A76637
Getting the most out of mutes
Application Author: Vincent Bach Corp.
11Feb69
A76638
Stradivarius Brasses
16 pages
Application Author: Vincent Bach Corp.
3Nov67
A48535
Vincent Bach Trumpet Bells
Bach designated his first bell the “T” bell also known as mandrel number 1. It was designed for Bb trumpets, as was his second bell, the “B” bell. Through 37 years of making trumpets and cornets, Bach considered a very large number of bells for them.
Bell Example Serial #: 1905 Model 7-10-62 In this example, it was described to me as: 7-10 = Hybrid Bell combining both mandrels; 62 = 0.462 Bore
There were seventy-two (72) designs for Bb bells alone, and each has a number code. The numbers range from 1 through 73, but number 15 apparently was omitted.
He apparently experimented a lot in the early days with different mandrels, later on 6 and 7 became more or less standard for ML and L, 38 became standard for M bore. A trumpet stamped “Model 7-59″, for example, would have a number 7 bell and would be a medium large bore instrument with a bore size of 0.459 inches. One stamped “Model 10-62″ would be a trumpet with a number 10 bell and a bore size of 0.462 inches, in Bach terms, a large bore horn. If bell have the number 67 stamped on it, this means the old NY postal zone of the Bronx !
At the end of the Bronx period and the beginning of the Mt. Vernon period the leadpipes (25,43) and bells (37,38 (M) and 43,72) became more the standard. The difficulty is that the markings on the bell and receiver are not there so it’s only possible to verify the exact leadpipe and bell by shop cards.
This list of bell types summarizes the different bell components in a simple list for easier comparisons. We are always looking for your feedback on your experiences with each of the bell, and leadpipe combinations. Email us through our “contact us” link on the header of each page.
Trumpet Bells
| Bell | Sound Type | Styles | Positives | Negatives |
| Bb Bells | ||||
| 1/T | ||||
| 6 | ||||
| 7 | Slightly brighter than the 37 bell. | Jazz (Lead) |
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| 25 | Sharper, slightly tighter and more focused projection than 37. Similar in characteristics to the Benge 3X bell. | All Styles (Tighter) |
Tight, focused sound. Great for lead type playing in night clubs, etc. | Can be too cutting of a sound in a large group. |
| 37 | The “Standard” Trumpet Sound with a rich, compact sound of great projection | All Styles | Easy To play, blends in with many trumpets | I found that the 37 bell doesn’t project as well as some others and the sound can be dull |
| 38 | Similar to the 25, but a little warmer sounding.Compact, fluid sound | Jazz (Smaller Combos) |
Nice warm sound | Doesn’t have great projection, doesn’t quite cut in a full jazz band |
| 42 | Warm, lighter French sound | |||
| 43 | Broader, brighter, more open than 37 | Jazz (Lead) |
Nice Projection, Great for jazz | Might be too bright for some strictly classical players who play in symphony orchestras |
| 46 | Bugle Bell? | |||
| 65 | Big, dark, Teutonic sound | Classical (Dark) |
Can be big, cornet sounding, but rather dark sounding. | Really only used in symphonic type settings. Does not work well for lead type playing. |
| 72 | Strong, powerful sound, darker tone than 37 | All Styles (Lead) |
Nice projection, probably the fullest sounding bell Bach makes. High range sparkles. | Does take more effort to play. Harder to play at soft dynamics with. You will probably find your endurance is better with the 37 or 43 bell |
| C/D Bells | ||||
| 211 | Slightly tighter and brighter than 236. | Classical | Can be a little bright for a D trumpet. | |
| 229 | Tighter and brighter sounding than the 239. Sound doesn’t spread as much to the sides and the 239…the sound is more direct and focused.Tends to be slightly broader than 239(Similar to 43) | Classical | Nice sound, really cuts through the orchestra. | High range can sound pinched if you don’t fill this bell up with air! |
| 236 | More focused than the 229. Bright and it projects!! Standard for “D” trumpets.(Similar to 25) | Classical | It projects !!! | To bright for C trumpets, nice though for D’s. |
| 238 | This bell is often used with a Vindabona bore. Sounds both big and dark.(Similar to 72) | Classical | If dark is what you want, this is even darker than the 239 | Doesn’t project…tone can be airy in low register. |
| 239 | Big, Dark, Sound. Considered the “37″ bell of for C and D trumpets. The so-called “Standard.”Rich, big, dark sound.(Similar to 65) | Classical | Standard, has a big sound that is big and, yes, “FAT” sounding! | None really…if this is the kind of sound you want you can’t go wrong. For those who need a negative comment, it takes more endurance to play this then the 229. |
| 244 | Original bell configuration used on Vindabona D trumpets. | Classical | ||
| 256 | Very large, similar to a Bb bell. Gibber darker sound than the 229 or 239(Similar to 38) | Solo Quintet Chamber |
Sounds very much like a Bb bell. Can be stuffy in the upper register. | Can be stuffy in the upper register. Can be tight, and hard to play in tune. |
| Eb Bells | ||||
| 229 | Tighter and brighter sounding than the 239. Sound doesn’t spread as much to the sides and the 239…the sound is more direct and focused.(Similar to 43) | Classical | Nice sound, really cuts through the orchestra. | High range can sound pinched if you don’t fill this bell up with air! |
| 239 | Big, Dark, Sound. Considered the “37″ bell of for C and D trumpets. The so-called “Standard.”(Similar to 65) | Classical | Standard, has a big sound that is big and, yes, “FAT” sounding! | None really…if this is the kind of sound you want you can’t go wrong. For those who need a negative comment, it takes more endurance to play this then the 229. |
| High Key Bells (Eb, F, G, High Bb) | ||||
| 311 | Bright, crystalline clarino sound. Larger numbers tend to be bigger, darker in sound characteristics. Intonation can be less sure with larger bell throats | Classical | ||
| 314 | Classical | |||
| 316 | Classical | |||
| 318 | Classical | |||
| 320 | Classical | |||
| 325 | Classical | |||
| Cornet Bells | ||||
| 37 | Rich, compact sound of great projection | Concert Band |
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| 43 | Broader, brighter more open than 37 | Concert Band |
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| 72 | Strong, powerful sound, darker than 37 | Concert Band |
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| 25 | Sharper, slightly tighter with more focused projection than 37 | Concert Band |
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| 31 | Compact, fluid sound | Concert Band |
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| 184 | Only one flare available for Model 184. | British Band | Dark | |
| Flugelhorn Bells | ||||
| 183 | Only one flare available for Model 183 | |||
Bb Bell/Bore Std. Combinations
| Bore | M | ML | L | XL | MLV | n/a |
| Bell | 38 | 37 43 72 |
25 | 43 | 72 | 65 |
| LeadPipe | 25 | 25 | 25 | 25-0 | 43 | n/a |
| (Bore Size) | 0.453 | 0.459 | 0.462 | 0.468 | 0.453 0.459 |
n/a |
Bb Bell Sound Styles
| Sound | Bright | Std. Bell | Dark | |||
| Bell | 25 | 43 | 38 | 37 | 72 | 65 |
C Bell Sound Styles
| Sound | Bright | Std. Bell | Dark | |||
| Bell | 236 | 229 | 239 | 238 | 256 |
Sources:
© Conn Selmer, Inc.
© TrumpetHerald.com; various discussion threads
Vincent Bach Trumpet Leadpipes
The first Bach trumpet has a number 2 (sn #14) leadpipe. I have seen different leadpipes on early New York Bach’s like 2, 4, 6, 7 and 9 (4 and 7 on Bb M bore) later on 6 and 7 became more standard. For example on the Vintage Limited Edition 198 it has a 6 leadpipe.
At the end of the Bronx period and the beginning of the Mt. Vernon period the leadpipes (25,43) and bells (37,38 (M) and 43,72) became more the standard. The difficulty is that the markings on the bell and receiver are not there so it’s only possible to verify the exact leadpipe and bell by shop cards.
This list of lead pipes summarizes the different leadpipe components in a simple list for easier comparisons. We are always looking for your feedback on your experiences with each of the bell, and leadpipe combinations. Email us through our “contact us” link on the header of each page.
Trumpet Lead Pipes
| Bb Trumpet Lead Pipes | ||
| Lead Pipe | Model | Description |
| 25 | Std. |
Some resistance, effective in centering or tying together tone production. Standard; The right leadpipe for most people |
| 25-O | Std. XL Std. LT |
More open and free-blowing, less restrictive than 25. Less resitance than the 25, but is not quite as free blowingt as the 43 |
| 6 |
Slightly more restrictive than 25. For those who want alot of resistance, the most restrictive leadpipe bach makes. Similar to the leadpipe found on the Yamaha “Z” trumpet. Helps with endurance. |
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| 7 | Darker tone, more free-blowing than 25. Dark, similar to the 43, but not nearly as bright. | |
| 43 |
More open feeling with less resistance and more flexibility than 25. Brighter sound. A favorite for lead players. Very open and bright. Some people find that this “kills your chops” faster than the 25. |
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| 44 |
Brighter sounding than 43 for more flexible tone placement. Basically the 43 but slightly brighter. Material used is nickel silver or german silver, unlike the common yellow brass used in the std. leadpipes. |
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| 25LR | Std. LR |
Reversed construction, longer form of 25 with less resistance. Because it’s reversed, its overall longer. Is is said to give little resistance, but alot players hate LR pipes. |
| 43LR |
Reversed construction, longer form of 43 with less resistance.Like the 25 LR but has even less resistance. |
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| C Trumpet Lead Pipes | ||
| Lead Pipe | Model | Description |
| 25C | Std. |
Some resistance, effective in centering or tying together tone production. Standard; The right leadpipe for most people |
| 25H |
Bigger tone, more free-blowing and flexible than 25C. Herseth leadpipe-(hence the “H”…) Big, fat, sound. Takes air to play and can sound airy in the lower register. |
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| 25A | Longer than 25C. Many people find this has slightly less resistance than the 25C…Not much of a difference at all… | |
| 25S |
Full length B mouthpipe (longer than 25A) with only 3.4″ pull on main tuning slide. “Full length Bb leadpipe, with only a “3/4 pull on main tuning slide.” In other words, it helps the C trumpet play more open. Schlueter leadpipe-(hence the “S”…) |
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| 25R |
Reversed construction, longer form of 25C. More open and free-blowing with darker sound. Additional length improves intonation of high register. |
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| 7C |
Darker tone, more free-blowing than 25C. Darker, bolder, less resistance than the standard leadpipe |
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| 7R |
Reversed construction, longer form of 7C. Less resistant, free-blowing. Additional length improves intonation of high register. Like the 7C but it is a reversed pipe. Even less resistance than the 7C |
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| 6R |
Reversed construction, longer form of 6. Less resistant, free-blowing. Additional length improves intonation of high register. Because it’s reversed, its overall longer. Is is said to give little resistance, but alot players hate LR pipes. |
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| 43C |
More open feeling with less resistance and more flexibility than 25C. Very similar to the Bb 43…free blowing, little resistance, etc. Nice sound in upper register |
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| 43R |
Reversed construction, longer form of 43C. Less resistant, free-blowing. Additional length improves intonation of high register. LR…Very similar to the 43C but can actually be a little stuffy in the lower register |
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| 44C |
Brighter than 43C with more flexible tone placement. Bright sounding, too bright when combined with the 229 bell for most people. |
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| 44R |
Reversed construction, longer form of 44C. Less resistant, free-blowing. Additional length improves intonation of high register. You guessed it….LR…Very similar to the 43C but can actually be a little stuffy in the lower register |
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| Cornet Lead Pipes | ||
| Lead Pipe | Model | Description |
| 106 | Std. 181 |
Some resistance, effective in centering or tying together tone production. |
| 184 | Std. 184 |
Some resistance, effective in centering or tying together tone production. |
| 112 |
Slightly tighter and more centered than 106. |
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Sources:
© Conn Selmer, Inc.
© TrumpetHerald.com; various discussion threads
Trumpet Cases
Through the years, various cases have been made for Bach trumpets, cornets, etc. These images show the evolution of these trumpet cases. We are always looking for additional, or corrections to this information. Use our “contact us” button at the top of each page.
New York Case (1920s) – Design 1
New York Case (1920s) – Design 2
New York Case (1930′s)
Mt. Vernon Case (1955) – SN 137XX
Source: Special thanks to Fred Cirksena of Quality Brass for the images of early Bach cases.
Special thanks to John Baber of Westborn Custom Trumpets for the images of the 1930′s Bach case.
Vincent Bach Brands
There have a few different brands of Vincent Bach brass instruments through the years. This list tries to capture various descriptions and information about the various Bach instrument brands.
Do You Know Your Brasses?
by Vincent Bach
“Expert describes models and their special uses in modern symphony orchestra and band.”
The work of a modern symphony or opera orchestra trumpet player is highly exacting. In addition to technique, tone, and range he must be prepared to play the various instruments indicated in the scores – brass instrument varying in pitch and bore. This is not for the purpose of avoiding the difficulties of transposition, but to facilitate the execution of technical passages, to overcome problems of intonation, and to produce the particular tonal quality which the type of composition prescribes.
Not all players agree on the type of instrument that should be used for certain compositions. For instance, the D trumpet prescribed in Bach oratorios was originally played on a low D trumpet, which instrument was used with a shallow smaller mouthpiece in the extreme high register. Symphony men of today are not accustomed to playing this type of instrument and could not afford to retrain their embouchure just for the occasional use of these low-pitched instruments. For this reason, most Bach oratorios are today performed on a high D trumpet, and extremely difficult compositions, like the “Christmas Oratorio,” the Bach “B Minor Mass, ” etc., are generally played on the piccolo trumpet in high F, or piccolo trumpet in High G, or the piccolo trumpet in High Bb.
It is a recognized fact that composers do not always write the trumpet part in the proper pitch (favoring the open tones of an instrument as the old masters did to facilitate the execution of the part or to produce the right tone quality); instead they sometimes follow the road of convenience by just writing the trumpet part in the key in which the composition is written, taking it for granted that a trumpet player know show to transpose and will select the right kind of instrument, as he sees fit. Others take it for granted that every player uses a Bb trumpet (which is predominantly used in Germany and Russia), while other composers who lived in France or Austria where C trumpets are mostly used have written most of their parts in C.
The instruments are described as follows, with notations on how they are used by leading symphony artists.
Piccolo Trumpet in High Bb
This instrument is not very much used but is well suited for the performance of Bach’s “Brandenburg Concerto No. 2,” also for the “Christmas Oratorio,” and Bach ‘B Minor Mass.” We build these instruments in two bell sizes – one on the style of the regular trumpet and the other with a comparatively large bell, resembling a flugelhorn bell. This instrument with a large mouthpiece is used by George Mager, first trumpeter of the Boston Symphony Orchestra, in most of Bach’s compositions.
Trumpet in C
Every symphony trumpeter must have a C trumpet available and should use it a good part of the time – if not altogether. In France, C trumpets are used exclusively in symphony orchestras, and to a great extent also in Germany and particular Austria. The trumpet section of the Boston Symphony Orchestra is famous for it fine performances on C trumpets. A good many modern compositions are very strenuous to play when written in the high register and a trumpeter can perform these parts with greater ease and more effectively by using a C trumpet rather than forcing the high tones on a Bb trumpet. Our leading trumpet players are using C trumpets more and more. The instrument is particularly effective in Wagner’s “Parsifal Prelude,” Strauss’s “Thus Spake Zarathustra,” “Symphonia Domestica,” Tone Poems and other compositions; Brahms’ symphonies numbers 1,2, and 4; Mendelssohn’s “Italian” and “reformation” symphonies; Dvorak’s “new World;” Debussy’s “festivals;” Stravinsky’s “Fire Bird;” in Respighi’s “Pines of Rome,” and all chamber music, because of the light singing tone of the instrument.
Bb Trumpet
Generally built of 50% conical and 50% cylindrical bore tubing. This instrument is used for concert and dance work and because of its sure response in attack and its heroic, martial tone, is best suited for heavy fanfare music, flourishes and other staccato work. It is, therefore, the most practical instrument for all-around orchestral work. (For solo and band work, the cornet should be the preference).
The Bb trumpet is very popular in the United States, England, Germany, Italy, Russia, and the German speaking part of Switzerland. In France, Austria, and the French speaking part of Switzerland, the trumpet players are accustomed to play C trumpets. In the English and French speaking countries, brass players prefer instruments with piston valves (Perinet valves, invented in 1839). In Germany, Russia, Austria, and the German speaking part of Switzerland, the musicians use rotary valves (invented in 1813).
Modern trumpets are built in various bores and the so called “Medium” bore (0.453″) is recommended for dance orchestra and other strenuous work. The “Medium Large” (0.459″) or “Large bore (0.462″) are with some exception give preference by symphony men. The “Bore” generally refers tot eh valve bore alone and does not indicate what tone quality or timbre is to be excepted from the instrument – unless additional information is given regarding the size of the bell and mouth pipe.
High D trumpet
This is another “must” for the symphony trumpeter playing modern works or oratories by Bach, Handel, etc. This instrument has a brilliant tone and is very effective in the high register in Bach’s ” B Minor Mass,” “Christmas Oratorio,” “3rd Suite in D,” and most other Bach compositions; Handel’s “Water Music,” “Messiah;” Mozart and Haydn symphonies are played adventurously on a D trumpet (which blends well with the strings); Beethoven’s “7th” and “9th” symphonies; parts of Respighi’s “Pines of Rome” (written for Bb trumpet but fits better within range of D trumpet); Purcell’s’ “Trumpet Voluntary;” Ravel’s “Bolero;” Prokofieff’s “Lieutenant Kije” (written in Bb, but backstage bugle call should be played on the D trumpet); Prokofieff’s “Suite Seythe;” Stravinsky’s “Sacre du Printemps” (for 2nd part of composition), and other modern compositions.
Soprano Trumpet in High Eb
A very important instrument for modern symphony work and which every symphony trumpeter should own and be ready to play on quick notice. The instrument is used for compositions such as William Schuman’s “American festival Overture,” Stravinsky’s “Sacre de Printemps,” (written for D trumpet but the first part is better performed on the Eb trumpet, the second part better on D trumpet), Vincent d’Indy’s ‘Symphony,” Saint- Saerns’ “Jennesse d’ Hercule.”
Soprano Cornet in Eb
While this instrument is rarely prescribed in symphony scores, it is widely used in all European concert bands – in England, France, Italy, Germany, etc. It is a very effective instrument which deserves to be reintroduced in our American concert bands. In most military bands on the European continent where Flugelhorns are used instead of cornets, they also use a High Eb Flugelhorn, which is very effective.
Piccolo Trumpet in High F
The High F trumpet is an important instrument for a symphony musician and is used today or most of the difficult oratorio performances, for some of the very high parts in the Bach “B minor Mass” and for Bach’s “Brandenburg Concerto No. 2.” It is the most popular instrument for use on these compositions. (All piccolo instruments should be used with smaller and shallower mouthpieces to do justice to both instruments and player.)
Trumpet Catalog – Price List (1935)
Note the similarity of the trombone price list of the same era.
| Prices of Bach Trumpets Stradivarius Model | |
| Cash Prices | |
| These are professional net prices – with the professional discounts already deducted. |
Bb Bach Stradivarius Models |
| Finish 1 – Highly polished brass bell with nickel silver trimming. | $125.00 |
| Finish 1 1/2 – Highly polished brass, entire instrument lacquered and baked.Transparent lacquer should be given preference because a heavier coat can be applied with discoloring the instrument. We use the best material and the finish is applied in the best possible manner, but no guarantee can be given. Lacquer is not a permanent finish as the following statement by the “national Association of Band Instrument Manufacturers will indicate: “Lacquer is only a temporary finish and should be sold as such.” | 130.00 |
| Finish 2 – Heavily silver plated, velvet finish, inside of bell burnished. | 135.00 |
| Finish 2 1/2 – Heavily silver plated, velvet finish, inside of bell gold plated and burnished. | 140.00 |
| Finish 3 -Extra heavily silver plated, bell inside and outside, mouthpipe, slide bows and trimmings burnished to mirror furnish, valves and slides stain finish. | 142.00 |
| Finish 3 1/2 – Extra heavily silver plated, bell, mouthpipe, knuckles and and trimmings burnished to mirror finish, valves and slides in satin finish, inside of bell gold plated and burnished. | 147.00 |
| Finish 4 – Extra heavily silver plated, bell, knuckles and trimmings burnished to mirror finish, bell elegantly engraved and gold inlaid, inside of bell gold plated. | 170.00 |
| Finish 5 – Quadruple gold plated, burnished all over. | 230.00 |
| Finish 5 1/2 – De Luxe finish, quadruple gold plated on silver base, elaborate engraving inside and outside of bell, burnished all over, engraving in stain gold. The most ravishing masterpiece in the art of musical instrument making. | 250.00 |
The cost of lacquering used instruments is higher because the instrument must first be thoroughly cleaned, overhauled, and all dents and scratches removed. Even the slightest finger mark would cause the lacquer to peel. The instrument being free of dents, lacquering costs approximately $7.50 including cleaning and polishing. All other repairs are charged for in addition and are subject to our regular rates based on the actual working-time necessary to perform first class job.
Extras
If an extra tuning slide with a nickel silver quick-change-to-A rotary valve is desired, the price is $15.00 additional in brass finish, $18.00 silver plated, $25.00 gold plated.
Sources:
Vincent Bach Corp. – 1935 Catalog / Price List